Who wants to try a salt soap in liquid form??

     Well, I did.  I've wanted to for some time.  It's been another one of those many "can it be done?" things that floats in my head when it comes to liquid soap.  

      I'd stepped away for several months shortly after the end of some incomprehensible negativity towards my work that wasn't meshing too well with my mental health, on top of some serious life changes that our family was about to embark upon.  So I stepped away.  I got back into focusing more on belly dancing, taking Tribal dance classes for the spring semester in order to expand my knowledge base.  As well as regain my Zen. I'd also been performing again.   In a strange way, I'd also rediscovered myself, tapping into my inner Morticia Addams as far as clothing style was concerned.  You probably don't know, but I'm heavy in the Goth subculture in terms of music and building a local community.  Not so much in the daily fashion department.  Until recently.  But anyways, between dancing, a photoshoot, and managing my ever changing family, soaping took a back seat.  As soon as school let out in Louisiana at the end of May, we moved back home to Coastal Virginia.  Closer to family and friends.  My husband quit his job to go to school full time under the GI Bill as a disabled Veteren.  As always, times are tough.  We always manage to keep our heads just above water, but we can never really swim to shore close enough to just wade through.  Some day though, I'm sure.  We bought our second house, cleaned up and re-rented our first house and now we seem to be fairly settled.  Summer time was a big transition time.  So again, soaping was the last on my mind.  

    It's now October.  We're enjoying the cooler weather...real seasons again.  The smell of the ocean, instead of swamp and canals.   And finally, I was inspired to pull out my supplies and get to work.  Made a small batch of hand soap for the sinks and this passed week was my attempt at a Soleseife (zol'uh seefe).  Soleseife is a German style of soap making, translated directly as "brine soap", which is essentially a salt water soap. Not to be confused with salt bars, which are made with whole grains of salt.  The process and results are different, but not to much.   You can go online and find Soleseife anywhere in bar form, and of course, tutorials for it.  But alas!  Nothing for us liquid soapers.   Until today.  I know this was covered in a Facebook group, but the final results weren't revealed, as of 3 days ago that is.  But who's got time to go through a big thread for that info when you can go to a one stop shop, right?  I guess it'd be great to get multiple takes on the soap with different recipes and salt types.  But that anticipation and wait and see factor is kind of killer.  Plus, you may have to hunt down the thread, altogether. Dunno really, I'm not in that group.  But anyways.  It shouldn't be too different from making bar soap, should it?  

     So from what I gathered about it, the salt is added at the very beginning, dissolved in the lye solution before lye is added, typically at 25% of your lye liquid amount.  I say liquid instead of water because not everyone uses water to dissolve their lye.  Like me!!!  Which comes to another aspect of this.  I do glycerin method, which is dissolving lye in 100% hot glycerin.  So in this case, I had to dissolve the salt, Himalayan Pink BTW, and lye in the heated glycerin, which wasn't super easy.  But not hard at all either.  The salt just didn't want to dissolve completely  It wasn't a lot undissolved, but just enough to screw with my neruoticism.   Now, with dissolving everything in water, I know from reading, that the solution turns milky white.  With glycerin method, the color wasn't pretty. Take a look in the stainless steel pot on the left.

Thankfully, that color doesn't stay.  Now that we're at this point, the soap recipe I used was my trusty basic liquid soap, the one I mentioned I made hand soap for.  Here's that recipe, as calculated by Brambleberry's lye calc.  Though I create my recipes with SoapCalc.net, I use either this, or Summer Bee Meadow for my lye amounts, as they both automatically account for the KOH impurity AND they both call for less lye than Soap Calc.  Also, the lye amounts are pretty much on point, so I could flip flop between the 2 with little to no discrepancies. Anyways, here's that basic recipe:

As you can see, I did a 5% lye discount, which is typically not recommended in LS.  However, with glycerin method, one is given a bit more wiggle room, FYI.  But you can use any liquid you like.  Also, I rounded up the liquid amount to an even 3oz to start, to aid in dissolving all the solids.  Also, if you prefer, you may substitute the Olive Pomace with your chosen Olive Oil.  Just please run things through a calc before proceeding.  Pomace has a different SAP value from other Olive Oils.  Aside from that,  the following additives were used:

0.75oz Himalayan Pink Salt (or your preferred)
0.2oz Potassium Carbonate (optional)
~5.5 to 6oz Dilution Water.
 Maybe another half ounce of glycerin to help dissolve salt and lye, as needed.

 Step By Step Instructions:

ÄCHTUNG! 
Universal safety precautions should be accounted for, such as wearing Personal Protective Equipment (PPE; gloves, goggles, etc), making sure kids and pets are away from the area and you have no distractions.  Keep close to a water source in the event spills happen. ALWAYS flush with water first if an accident does occur.   

1. Measure oils and warm them in crock pot on high.
2. Heat glycerin to 200 degrees, or until it starts steaming.  Keep heat between low and medium so the glycerin stays very fluid.
3. Dissolve chosen salt.  Use a whisk to sort of whip it up and dissolve as much as possible.

4. Dissolve Lye.  Add more glycerin as needed to help. A little goes a long way. Be careful here, as it does fizz.  If left too hot, it could fizz over.  Maintaining the temps settings I recommend will help you avoid this issue. Taking the pot on and off the stove also helps. By the way, use ONLY a stainless steel pot.
5. Once everything is dissolved as much as possible, remove from heat and go ahead and add to your oils.  The solution is over 200 degrees by this point.  Everything will level out to the optimum cooking temps with no issues.  Maintain a high setting on your crock.

     Here, you stick blend like normal.  The solution will remain fluid so don't look for any thickening.  This is how glycerin method behaves.  If you're using water for your lye solution, you will likely see some thickening.  Here is where a no paste method will benefit.  Regardless of what liquid you use, go ahead and add your dilution water to the soap as soon as you see emulsification.  Not trace, those 2 are totally different.  Avoid using cold water for this as it could seize up your soap.  Blend well again, then cap it off to cook.  You can lower the crock setting to medium or low if you like at this point.  I prefer to keep on high to speed the process along.  2-3 hours later, take a peek and go through your doneness test motions for liquid soap.   Cut the heat and let it cool to check it's overall thickness.  

    Now, a few things about salt in liquid soap.  Salt is typically used for thickening LS.  Depending on the recipe, it can be a significant amount, like with high olive oil recipes, or no thickening at all, like in high coconut.  Also, when using salt, you risk clouding.  So, your once perfectly clear soap will lose that clarity.  Depending on the salt though, it could bring an interesting visual quality.  I remember using Celtic Sea salt to thicken a Castille in the beginning, and it produced an opalescent effect.  Because of this thickening quality, it's why I recommended doing a no paste method.

     Now, my thoughts on it.  When it comes to LS, we have the ability to do much of our special additives last, rather than up front.  It helps preserve the integrity of the additive in question, since lye can and will break down or convert additives in some way.  That said, this could be tried in a different manner, by adding the salt to your dilution water and adding that at the end.  The hassle of trying to dissolve it all in glycerin is avoided, and thus, cuts down time. I'll be trying that another time. I can't say this soap was thicker, since I'm certain I added a half ounce more water than I thought I needed at the time. I'm certain it will be though once I nail the water amount.  With glycerin method, I typically don't need a lot of water to dilute; on average i only need half my oil amount.  I didn't take into consideration the salt thickening, though I knew in the back of my mind it would happen. It also did become murky/cloudy.  The finished product is translucent, rather than transparent.  Especially when compared to the original recipe sans salt.  Here's photos for comparison; left is without salt, right is with salt.

No Salt

With Salt

I did notice that over the time span from bottling to today, about 3-4 days, the clarity did increase some.  So, settling time did garner improvement.   Here's the shot of the soap 3-4 days later to compare to it's earlier counterpart above.  I do apologize for the insufficient lighting.   Note:  I did use citrus EOs in this, namely Litsea and Orange Verbena, as well as a smidge of Grapefruit Bitter.  So that may have impact.

If you watch the accompanying video to this post, you'll get to see the soap in the pot prior to scenting and bottling.  And of course, it did suds up nicely in the sink, in my hands and on my pouf. 

       I've been using the soap for a few days now in the shower, and to be honest, I"m not impressed.  I've used a brine soap before and it was amazing. It was a coconut soap of coconut oil, coconut milk and salt.  It was velvety feeling.   This was...meh.  Maybe more salt?  Higher lye discount...different recipe?  Sadly, I was disappointed.  I'll try again later on though.  All in all, this was fun and easy to do.  It is still considered an advanced method, so I do recommend you familiarize yourself with basic liquid soap making and work your way up from there and I do hope this helps someone along the way. If you've ever tried this before, or plan on trying it, please share your experience so that others can learn from it.  Hell, maybe I'll get to learn more about Soleseife for LS than I know right now.

A Few Thoughts On Preservatives

I know it's been several weeks since my last post.  My comp has been in the shop and it's been pretty busy here in my Hall.  I'm just now commandeering my husband's gaming comp to do this.  I can't write about what I truly would like to since it takes a while to research and gather info to write about.  And for me, that can take days to gather, and hours just to compile in a cohesive essay.  But, I need to get this topic off my chest. So this is somewhat of a rant.  But an informative one.


Maybe folks are keeping up with me.  Maybe not.  But in my previous post, I talked in depth about preservatives, especially in regards to the role they play in Liquid Soap (LS).  I'm still very confident in what I've written, and in fact, have made small edits to it just to add a smidge more information, rather than create a whole new post.  Over the months, I've been asked how I felt about this type of preservative, or that type. Am I for chemical preservatives, or for 'natural' methods?  To be honest, I'm for neither.  No, this does not mean I'm not for preservatives of some type, and there are MANY types.  I'm just not for one or the other.  What I am for is responsible use of them.  If you choose to use/ not to use a preservative, that's up to you.    I won't bat an eye either way.  now if you ask for my opinion on a specific product, I'll give you the best informed opinion I can muster, based on my research.  What I don't understand is, why the constant use of chemical preservatives to begin with?  I am astonished at how many people insist on the use of a chemical preservative in almost every single hand crafted bath and body product, especially when it isn't warranted.  Meanwhile, there are plenty of companies with products on physical shelves and in online shops that don't use chemical preservative.  My favorite company, despite how much I hate some of their marketing, makes an amazing conditioner that lacks a chemical preservative like what would be found in Germaben, Germall and Optiphen.  They also make a baby lotion in the same manner that I'm in love with. Their products contain nothing but oils, butters, botanical extracts and water.  The conditioner never lasts long in my house  (3 females with heads full of curly hair).  But that baby lotion lasted me almost a year (yeah, it stopped being just for baby).  Sure, I never got it tested to be certain, but it never grew mold.  Never discolored. Never changed odor. Obvious physical signs of microbial contamination and overgrowth.   I used it on my infant son's sensitive skin, especially the diaper area, as well as mine, with no adverse effects.

Take a look at the big "sugar/salt scrub debate" amongst hand crafters.  Folks are always asking if scrubs need a preservative since it's anhydrous.  Some will say yes, because it gets exposed to water.  I'm on the side that says no, and I site scientific reasons as to why, with plenty of reference material to back it up. From my previous blog post:
"Salt and sugar both draw out water and tie it up within itself, making the water unavailable for any chemical reactions to occur. High concentrations of salt interfere with the growth of microbes, while sugar may also encourage the growth of healthy microbes that prevent the harmful type from growing. High concentrations of sugar also exert osmotic pressure that will draw water out of bacteria, preventing them from growing as well."

 Yet folks still go for the "just in case".  OK, that's fine. But here's where I have issue with this thinking.  When asked if hand crafted soap needs one, EVERYONE (no exaggeration at all) will say no.  Why?  They all site scientific reasons, mainly referring to it's pH. But also because it's anhydrous 

                       But But?!!  ...It's exposed to water!  

It sits in a damp shower/bath area, and is rubbed against wash cloths and bath poufs, or even bare skin, and  thus constantly exposed to the resident microbes there.  And don't tell me you can rinse the bar off.  It's still exposed to water, especially microbes in the water, as with scrubs, and even more so likely to be left in the damp shower area.  Even if you take it out the shower, it's still left out wet until it air dries.  But who actually does that?


See my frustration?  Why are folks using scientific fact for soap, but completely ignore it for scrubs?  

Another instance of 'preservative thumping":  I asked in a Facebook group, folks' thoughts on adding an emulsifier to a body butter.  For those who don't know, body butters are basically a wonderful combination of oils and butters used on the body, very much like a lotion, but without water as a carrier.  So you get all the goodness of the oils,  undiluted. Other things are added, like clays or cornstarch, for added silkiness or to cut back on greasiness.  But it's still an anhydrous product.  I think somewhere in the thread, someone misread.  It was essentially a thread I started as a free flow brainstorm, looking for the added thoughts of others as well, without asking for recipes and such.  I really hate asking for things like that, asking for copies of folks hard work that is. At first, in shower lotion popped in my head, but then I was like, 'nah, those have water in the them as well'.  I reiterated several times that it was to be a body butter with an emulsifier added.  A completely leave on product.  One commenter completely misread everything I said, and on top of that, insisted I ensure the use of a (chemical) preservative.   I asked why, since it was an anhydrous product.  And her only answer was, 'just in case water gets in'.  Well, first, had she read carefully, she'd know water wasn't going near it.  And second, did she care to ask how I'd planned to package it?  If I put it in a wide opening bottle, not jar, it's less likely to be contaminated by water, like some facial scrubs I buy. St. Ives comes to mind, since it has a wide enough orifice to allow it's thick product to be squeezed through.

The use of chemical preservatives seems to be a knee jerk reaction by hand crafters.  Someone, SOMEWHERE said that they are needed in almost everything when water is present, despite conflicting information dictating otherwise.  I think my concern is, the overuse of said ingredients.  Like antibiotics,  microbes can, and will, become resistant if these specific ingredients used too much.  Then what?  What will be the new, trending chemical preservative available to hand crafters all over?  The aforementioned brands are just that: widely used, and overused, IMO. You find blogs everywhere stamping the use of these ingredients into the heads of easily frightened individuals who don't know any better and are obviously confused by the information that is available that dictates differently.  Some folks, sadly, also prefer to be just be told what to do, rather than research on their own. And none of them, I can guarantee, have their products tested to see if their preservation method even works. They, just like myself, assume that since 'nothing funky' is seen or smelled', then nothing is happening.  That may not always be the case folks, and even the most highly recommended chemical preservatives can fail. Just keep that in mind. I also only make small batches, so nothing sticks around long enough for me to find out, to be honest.
 Ssigh, I'm not saying don't use preservatives.  I use one in my hair conditioner, but it's an EcoCert ingredient, and it's none of the above listed either.  And only because my earliest attempts to go preservative free failed miserably, due to my lack of knowledge.  Just do your diligence.  Stop taking the word of this major blogger here, or that major personality there.   If I can sit here, mom of 3(2 special needs), wife of a Navy Vet, now rig wife,  can dig all this up for y'all and write about it once in a while, some of y'all can make a better attempt at researching you ingredients to find out what is and isn't needed. Just sit back for a little bit and think about it.  If you still go the route of wanting that 'extra protection' for your products, again, I won't bat an eye.  But, ask me what I think about it,  I'll give you an answer, and you may not like it either.

The Sapnoifier Magazine Rebuttal

So, I don't even know how to begin this.  

About a week ago, roughly, I received a private message from a friend's mom, who is also a soap maker.  I was outside vacuuming the inside of my truck after I'd just changed it's oil.  I glanced at my phone to see the notification, so I checked it out. She asked me if I get the Saponifier Magazine, because Dr. Kevin Dunn, author of Scientific Soapmaking, had mentioned me in an article.  I was sick with apprehension.  Why?  Welp, why would a gentleman with a PhD in chemistry mention me, a stay at home mom and hobbyist soap maker,  in a nationally, or possibly internationally, known soapers magazine, that I don't even read?   It HAD to be about my experiments, and somehow he came across them.  I posted about it in my favorite soap group and a few of my soapy friends who had the recent issue of the magazine posted screenshots of the pages.  From those shots, every thing looked good actually.  And my apprehension waned, while plenty of congratualtions went up.  But, something seemed off.  I could tell lthere was more to the artocle, so I went ahead and purchased a subscription including the current Sept/Oct issue in question. If you haven't already, and would like to, you can do a full subscription of the magazine, or purchase individual back issues, including the Sept/Oct issue,   here .  Welp, I read the full article and realized, in some odd way, I'd been set up for some sort of public rebuttal, by another soap maker, Rae Ellyn Alexander of Celestial Balance Body Products.  I've come across this lady in a few groups, and to be honest, She's very snarky and prude, not only to myself it seems.  I'd also been shown where she wanted Dr. Dunn to "school me' on my experimental claims, when she took my YouTube link and posted it on his private Facebook page.  I can't get too upset over that, I did post it in a public group.  But still, her reason behind it seems a little malicious to me.

In the article, Dr. Dunn summarizes my video on acidifying soap.  At first he seemed to be applauding my efforts.  There almost seemed to be a bit of admiration coming from him.  But just as quickly as that applause came, so came the rebuttal.  To summarize, because of my use of polysorbate 80 to solubilize the free fatty acids that were released during the whole process, it is questioned as to whether it was my soap that truly did the cleaning, or if it was just the polysorbate.  Further, he calls poloysorbate a detergent, which, for a soapmaker, is a stab in the eye with a stick blender covered in raw soap batter, since we strive to get away from detergents.  However, my research on polysorbate does not say that this product is a detergent.  Simply a surfactant that acts as a solubilizer.  Please keep in mind, surfactant does not means detergent.  There are many different types of surfactants, but I won't be getting into that here.  The point is, polysorbate 80 is not a detergent.  If anyone would care to argue differently, you're more than welcome to.  just please site reliable resources so that I may be able to have them at my disposal for future use.  But to put it simply, Dr. Dunn gave me the proveribal pat on the head and "nice try but no, you're still wrong".  He however, did not offer any reason as to WHY soap can't be acidified.


Anyways, I know where I messed up.  I did my final testing AFTER adding the polysorbate, rather than before.  So, rather than quitting soaping, which I'd actually said I would do if that article turned sour for me, I put my mind , and camera for video evidence, to work and reconducted the experiment, changing a few elements. You can watch the full video here . Instead of using castile soap, which I was out of, I used an 8oz sample of coconut oil soap I make to clean with.  I found the coconut soap was a good idea as well since it's very bubbly, as we all know, and it was a great way to note any changes.   And of course, i nixed the solubilizer all together.  I used only citric acid to lower pH.  It's really simple: using my pH meter, I measured the initial pH of the soap, which was 8.86.  I noted in the video the condition of the soap, how bubbly it was, viscosity, etc.  Then, i proceeded to add 0.25oz of citric acid directly to the soap.  In the video, you'll see the soap go from clear to very white and milky.  You'll also see it froth up as foam builds from mixing it in.  I blew a few bubbles, and then test pH, which stabilized at 7.77.  Then when washing my meter's probe, i noted how the soap felt and show that it produced a creamy lather.  It rinsed off my probe and my hands very well.  I added a final dose of 0.1oz of citric acid to the mix and repeated those same observations. Final pH was 7.03 before I discontinued observation of that.  Foam was reduced but still present and I couldn't blow bubbles anymore.  When washing,small bubbles formed when washing my hands, and everything rinsed squeaky clean.  I even tested on a wine glass to see if any residue or film would form and be difficult to remove.  That also came up squeaky clean. The reason why the squeaky clean aspect is important to me, is because the free fatty acids are very sticky and difficult to remove.  I've needed a scrubber brush to scrub it out of my sink.  So being able to wash the soap off my hands and out of the wine glass easily was a treat. I honestly didn't know what to expect with this experiment.  If it didn't work, well, I'd have admitted to it with full tail between my legs.  In this case, based on evidence at hand, it still worked.  


The experiment got me thinking some more about how soap works.  It would seem that the more alkaline the soap it, the better is cleans.  The alkalinity helps break up the surface tension of oils.  In testing run by researchers in Sri Lanka, they found that the higher the pH of a cleanser, the more it strips away the acid mantel of the skin, a protective layer of the skin which is comprised of naturally produced oils, sweat, resident bacteria, etc, and thus making it more difficult for that layer to regenerate.  The higher the pH, the more oils are stripped away.  It's why it's suggested that lye heavy soaps be shredded into laundry soap, which is easier than trying to rebatch to correct the issue. But, lower pH does not mean it won't clean. It's just not as well as higher pH.  But that's one way to look at it.  When we're talking about acidifying soap, using basic citric acid, we are essentially having the citric acid swap places with the fatty acids in soap, thus bonding with the hydroxide, creating either sodium, or potassium citrate, and fatty acids.  You basically lose soap content.  But how much soap, is undetermined. You'd have to filter out the fatty acids that emerge with each addition of citric acid.  And that has proved a tad bit difficult.  It's not impossible to do, but it is a little frustrating. So, i can see where folks say it's no longer soap.  As I've proved, there's still soap left, even after lowering to a pH of 7.03,  and it seemed to have done it's job well.  I just couldn't tell you how much soap was left. That may be another experiment for later, but I'm pretty sure like with all things in soap making, it's recipe dependent.  


Now what if i used some other acid?  What if, instead of citric acid, which we know basically replaces the fatty acids when combining with the hydroxide, and thus reduces the actual soap content, I used an MCT, (medium chain triglyceride).  In brief, an MCT is a fatty acid chain with 6-12 carbon fatty acid esthers of glycerol, found in it's raw form.  They are some of what make up the oils we commonly use in soap making. You'll know them commonly as Lauric and Myristic Acids (Coconut and Palm Kernel), Stearic and Palmitic Acids( Palm and Tallow). Stearic is also highly common in Coco and Shea Butters.  Of these, most soap makers use Stearic Acid for various reasons but most common is producing a harder bar of soap.  It can be used to thicken liquid soap as well.  Problem with using Stearic is, becuase of it's carbon chain length, 18 carbon atoms, it isn't very soluble in water, and therefore causes clouding in liquid soap.  So for this endeavour, I chose Lauric Acid, which has a carbon chain length of 12.  Bascially, the shorter the chain, the more likely it's soluble in water.  Which in turn means less likely to cloud.  Here's where my train of thought is going:  Citric Acid, along with all fatty acids, are essentially weak acids. But, of those, citric acid is the stronger, which is why when it's used, fatty acids are released and seperate out of liquid soap in white sticky, oily mess. The stronger acid reacts with a potassium salt of a weaker acid to free up the weaker acid.  Hands down.  There's no way around that.  But, if we were to use an acid of equal strength, ie, another fatty acid, as mentioned prior, wouldn't that essentially prevent the 'breakdown' and loss of soap, but still allow the pH to lower?  In my first experimental video, I noted that i used a combination of citric and lauric acids to lower the pH.  In another instance of playing around with pH, I used the lauric acid alone, 2oz in an 8oz soap sample to drop the pH from 9.08 to 7.35, according to my notes.  In Jackie Thompson's HCSCG conference presentation, she indicates the use of stearic acid to neutralize her liquid soap.  So it would seem that MCT's are another viable option at pH adjustment without the potential to lose soap I think the only downside is amount needed vs cost compared to those factors for citric acid.  Citric acid, being the stronger acid, needs less, no more than an ounce for an 8oz sample of soap,  to do it's job, and is considerably cheaper compared to lauric acid, which is more fatty than acid,  where I needed 2oz of that for an 8oz sample of soap.

Just now, I'd literally completed another test for my last theory, of using lauric acid to lower pH in a 4oz sample of coconut oil soap.  0.5oz of lauric acid lowered the pH immediately from 8.87 to 7.1.  The flakes dissolved fairly easily in the heated soap, using a bit of a modified double boiler; measuring cup in a pot of boiling water. Per usual, when hot, the soap was clear, then when cooled, very cloudy.  Not quite milky, in that the soap was on the cusp of translucent and opaque. My guess is that is was saturated with lauric, in that like sugar dissolved in hot water, it looks clear while hot.  You can keep adding until no more dissolves, and it remains clear.  But when the saturated sugar solution cools, it becomes cloudy, like with the soap when it cooled.  According to a few resrouces, lauric acid is soluble in water at the rate of 55mg/L @ 20*C(68*F).  That's really not a lot of lauric, so I assume that at temperature, attemting to dissolve anything more than 55mg will cause the solution to cloud. And this is all specualtion, since I'm still trying to understand the chemistry at play here myself.  But in any case, the clouding can easily be remedied later on.  But, overall this was the most successful of experiements, in that the soap remained very bubbly compared to any other attempts, and of course, it cleaned, yet attained a very low pH.  I'm beyond pleased; and now wish I did pull out the camera for this.  And to note,  this principle can easily be applied to bar soaps,  using stearic acid,  which will help harden the bar. 

So, you see, you can acidify your soap, and there are many ways to do it.  Again, this requires trial and error to see what works for you, and of course, your willingness to think outside the box.  I'm really not keen on being put on blast the way I was.  I don't see the point in Rae trying to tear down a fellow soap maker.  It's not like I'm competition.  And I don't appreciate having my name and YouTube channel link printed in a magazine that I'd never heard of before without my permission. I've even come across the managing editor, Beth Byrne, of the magazine many times in Facebook groups.  She could have easily contacted me for my consent.  My YouTube channel actually doesn't have my real name on it either,  as is the same for this blog.  I only shared that channel link twice, receiving very few views to it afterwards, as I was actually very hesitant, and for this very reason.   Looks like it won't matter now, will it?  I appreciate all the new YouTube hits and subscribers that this stunt produced for me though.  So no, Dr. Dunn, it's not an impossible dream, as your article was so wistfully titled.  It's a reality.  Maybe you could take the time to try out some of my experiments, or even try a few of your own?  Or, in the least, share exactly why it's impossible rather than writing a rebuttal and giving the proverbial pat on the head to some unknown soap maker in a magazine she never knew existed until recently. K? Thanks!!

Quick Revisit of Acidyfying Liquid Soap

So, a few days ago I finally did my post on acidifying liquid soap (LS), or, lowering the pH of soap. In that, I  touched on a few different methods to garner the same end result, which was not only to lower the pH, but see if soap properties were maintained, such as bubbles and cleaning ability, the latter of which is most important. I originally didn't bother with working with straight citric acid, because we all know how it behaves for the most part. Until I got to thinking back on some of my research.  A fellow soap maker, possibly well known even,  by the name of Jackie Thompson, is in the process of getting her book released on LS.  It will be a breath of fresh air on the topic since Catherine Failor wrote her books on transparent and liquid soap making over 10 years ago.  In venturing to Jackie's website, I found it quite sparse on the information side.  She did include 2 powerpoint presentations, each containing a slightly different approach to LS making, like Failor did in her book with the paste and alcohol methods. The one thing that both of these presentations have in common that stood out to me, was how she neutralized her soap.  Without going into details, she uses citric acid.  Nothing special there, except, she used a 25% solution(her presentation says 20%) , so, diluting 1oz citric acid to 4oz water, or a 1:4 acid to water ratio, for ease of recipe resizing.  After adding the appropriate amount of solution, based on titration using phenol-p drops until they go clear, she just "skims off the curds".  What??!!  But, if my memory serves me well, those curds are the freed up fatty acids that we usually worry about needing to be incorporated back into the soap, and solubilized.  That's potential superfat material right there. Why would you want to skim that off?  Hopefully her book will go into detail about this and it should be released in September.  I've already pre-ordered.

So, with all that having pushed forward recently, I decided to give her method of neutralization a go.  Only, unlike her, I went for a true neutral, using the last 8-9 ounces of my glycerin method castile that I'd been experimenting with for the last 3 months, on this very topic.  I'd already had the solution premade, but I didn't have much left.  In this experiment, i used grams instead of my normal ounces, since I was using relatively small amounts of solution.  The pH of the sample was already low, sitting a 9 on my pH meter.  Going in increments, and skimming the curbs after each addition, I totaled out with 13 grams of solution and stopped there, gaining a pH of 8.57.  At such a low concentration with only slight change, I switched gears and started using straight powder, noticing that the solution, of course, watered down the soap.  So using my percentage calculator app to make quick of tedious math. I got the amount of citric acid actually in 5 grams of solution, 1.25, and added that as powder. PH went down to 8.26.  My impatience got the best of me, and I doubled this amount, adding 2.5 grams of powder, and thus, lowered the pH too far!! I ended up with this giant curd, and this watery liquid with fatty acids I couldn't strain out.  And a pH below 7.  Down the drain that went.  I really need to learn patience....  At any rate, the actually total amount of citric acid used, be it in solution or powder form, was 7 grams(0.2469oz) for 8-9 ounces of soap. I will most definitely use less than that next time, but this does give me a good idea of how much will be needed. Also, and interesting note, I weighed the curds I strained after a 5 gram addition of solution; it weighed 20.4 grams.  So it would seem a significant amount of weight can be lost using this method.

I did however learn something else from this method, and it brings me back to one of the other methods I tired. Using citric acid alone in lowering pH of soap causes fatty acids to be released from the potassium molecules in soap, and be replaced by the citric acid, thus creating potassium citrate.  I used 2 forms of potassium citrate to lower pH, and yet, neither material worked. The pH hovered around 9, and in some instances, tried to rise a little.  What made this so different?  I don't think i could google enough to figure this one out sadly, and Kevin Dunn's Caveman Chemistry forum seems pretty dead. This will be looked into further as I go along.  I do hope someone could chime in on topic someday.

Acidifying Liquid Soap (Lowering pH) ..and Dove

I'm sorry I haven't kept things going with a new post.  Especially since this blog is in it's infancy.  Lots going on lately on the home front.  Plus, I needed to the motivation to pick a topic.  So, I guess I'll just dive right in.


Many fellow soapers ask about lowering pH in soap to make a milder soap.  To me, that is music to my ears.  It means they understand that the high alkalinity of hand crafted soap is in fact, harsh on the skin.  Dove had the right idea, any many scoff at it because they create hybrid soaps.  I guess, since I went there, I'll go over this "debate" as well.  This post has me killing 2 birds with 1 stone it seems.

Dove is soap. Yup. I said it. And to MANY, that is blasphemy. Ok, so let's try, hybrid soap.  But to the chemistry minded soap maker, or in the least, one that knows how to read and research ingredient labels, it's truth.  So let's get right into it an analyze an ingredient label, shall we?
http://www.dove.us/Products/Bar-Body-Wash/Beauty-Bar/Dove-Sensitive-Skin-Unscented-Beauty-Bar.aspx
Ingredients:

Sodium Lauroyl Isethionate, Stearic Acid, Sodium Tallowate or Sodium Palmitate, Lauric Acid, Sodium Isethionate, Water, Sodium Stearate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocoate or Sodium Palm Kernelate, Sodium Chloride, Tetrasodium EDTA, Tetrasodium Etidronate, Maltol, Titanium Dioxide (CI 77891).

This is Dove's basic beauty bar.  Unscented, for sensitive skin. I know many a soaper that get the comments from (non) customers who say they can only use Dove, or it's what Doc recommended.  But take a look at the ingredients.  What do you see?  I see plenty of soap ingredients in this list. Stearic Acid, Sodium Tallowate(Tallow), Sodium Palmitate(Palm Oil), Lauric Acid, Sodium Stearate(Stearic Acid), Sodium Cocoate(Coconut Oil), Sodium Palm Kernalate(Palm Kernal Oil), Sodium Chloride(Salt).  All very normal ingredients used in a basic bar of soap.  We all recognize the oils, the Stearic and lauric acids are both used as acidifyers, lowering pH.  Stearic provides a harder bar, and lauric provides bubbles and cleansing, and possibly a harder bar as well.  Both are fatty acids found in any of the oils found on this panel. Salt is also used to create a harder bar.  Out of 16 ingredients (or 14, depending on how you count the pairs with "or" in between), 9 max are used in hand crafted soap. I didn't even consider the titanium dioxide as colorant, and of course water which would bring it up to 11. That's 50% in soap making ingredients by count! 

Now let's look at the other stuff:

Sodium Lauroyl Isethionate: a sodium salt of the lauric acid ester of isethionic acid.   The Isethionic Acid is a rough one.  When cross referencing this, it is considered an "organosulfur compound" (sulfur) that is found in all things and is essential to life.  From what I an understand, it's obviously not a fatty acid combined with lye to create it salt counterpart.  The Lauroyl is converted lauric acid in this.  This is considered a very mild detergent surfactant.

Sodium Isethionate: See above^^ 

Cocamidopropyl Betaine- simply put, a coconut oil derived using the lauric acid group of fatty acids hence the coco- prefix. There's more to it than just this, but that requires TONS of cross referencing. This is however, considered a very mild surfactant, and is a replacement for cocomide DEA.

Tetrasodium EDTA: A chelating agent. It binds metals in soap when in hard water, thus "creating" soft water, and a more effective cleanser with no residue.  Pretty simple

Tetrasodium Etidronate: another chelating agent.

Maltol: naturally occurring organic compound found in larch tree bark, pine needles and roasted malt.  It's considered a flavor and aroma enhancer.

So, after breaking down that ingredient list, what do you see now?  Mostly soap making ingredients, as noted earlier.  You'll notice that the first ingredient is the detergent.  And for those who understand ingredient label regulations, they are listed from greatest to least.  That does not mean that the first ingredient is more than the combined total of the soap making ingredients that we recognize.  According to the FDA, soap can only be considered such when the bulk of it's cleansing properties are come from fatty acid salts of volatile substances ( that's not an exact quote, but I think that's pretty close).  It would appear that this is a big possibility. But, unless Dove releases it's percentages, we'll never truly know.  Hence why I consider this a hybrid soap.  But, the point of this was to show what went into Dove, to have a better understanding of WHY customers, and Docs, say what they say when they mention it.  It's its pH.  Dove have been considered a mild, pH neutral alternative to harsh ol' handcrafted soap for decades. Containing 1/4 moisturizers ta boot!! Before ya'll scoff at that as well, you might wanna take a look at that ingredient list again. I note quite a few instances of superfatting in it.  But that pH! Man!  We all wonder how.  Well, Dove uses fatty acids; lauric and stearic, to acidify the soap.  Salt and stearic to harden.  And to make sure the soap bubbles and creates a creamy lather, 3 mild detergents to round it all off. With 2 chelating agents to make sure it works well in all types of water, as well as help preserve by preventing oxidative rancidity.

So, we're back to, how do WE do it?  Without the detergents.  Good grief, do I have a lot of testing on that.  Hopefully I can summarize in a manner the reader can understand. 

I've attempted 3 methods of acidifying 8oz samples from a batch of Glycerin Method Castile LS.  I've noticed Castile to be quite temperamental in the tampering department.  So I figured, if I could do it with this, then other soaps would be a breeze.  Hopefully..

1. Combination of Citric and Lauric Acids

2.Superfatting

3.Potassium Citrate 

1. So far, my most successful attempt.  We know all about citric acid, but I chose to pair it with lauric acid for these reasons:  it dissolves in hot water (or soap) and maintains a clear solution.  Lauric acid is the primary fatty acid chain in coconut oil soaps that provides bubbling and cleansing.  It also acts as a mild thickener.  Sadly, this as a whole didn't have any bubbles.  But it cleaned well and left my skin feeling soft.  No itchiness like i experienced with it higher pH counterparts.  Used in my hair; well, I have a oily scalp.  But those oils don't migrate south.  So my actually hair away from the scalp is somewhat dry, and loved the soap.  But it was too much for my scalp.  I used it in my 2 year old son's long, blond hair.  Perfect!  No conditioner needed to help comb his hair after his shower.  For more details to this,  check out my video here.  It's pretty long and silly at times.  I try to not be too serious. But I figured if I was going to share this info, I needed proof of what I've done.  In the end, I attained a pH of 7.56. This is something I would consider a wonderful, mild all over baby wash.  Low cleansing, light moisturizing.

2.This one did not please me at all.  In short, I needed to superfat around 40% to lower pH.  And even then, I couldn't attain neutral, as I hit a plateau point around 8.5, so I had to use a small amount of lauric acid to finish it off. Final pH was 7.41.  It did not feel good in the hair at all.  Not on my son's hair either.  You can find further details here.

3.  Would not work.  I based this experiment on this. To summarize, You pair citric acid with KOH, creating potassium citrate, to prevent the acid from breaking down the soap, but still gaining the ability to lower pH.  At first I tried making it myself, slowly titrating citric acid into a potassium hydroxide solution until my phenol-p drops were no longer pink, and recording weights to attain appropriate amounts for resizing and such.  I also verified neutrality using my pH meter, just to err on the side of caution.  I could barely break under a pH 9.  So I scrapped this, assuming I was flawed in using hydroxide with citric acid rather than a (bi)carbonate counterpart as my research indicated.  I purchased a potassium citrate powder on Amazon and tried again.  With this, I just dissolved the measured powder in the heated soap.  I received the same results.  Utter failure.  Potassium citrate does have a good purpose in soap making however.  So I don't feel it's a waste of a purchase.  It's a chelating agent. It also had the ability to thicken the soap, but did have it's own limits, to which the soap thinned at a certain point.  I ended up dropping the pH with lauric acid and calling it quits.  That soap seems pretty nice on m hands but I haven't tried it on my son yet.  Which is most important to me.  I know I'm horrible for using him a my guinea pig, but I wouldn't do it if I didn't think it was safe. ;)

I didn't bother with citric acid alone since we all know that's quite effective, and could be placed under attempt #1 above.

I've also found that sodium lactate, used by many soap makers to create a harder bar overall, thus facilitating earlier cutting, and makes Hot Process soap more fluid for pouring in the mold, is also has the ability to acidify, though it would seem it requires a considerable amount to do.

Now, the biggest arguments I as an LS maker come across is, what about the free fats that result in this?  Well, simply put, use a solubilizer.  There are many on the market available to the home formulator.  So it's a matter of finding out which one is effective for your recipes, and suits your overall needs.  In my first video, as linked above, I used Polysorbate 80.  It didn't produce the clear soap I wanted, sadly.  In the second video, it was a combination of polysorbate and the sugar solution I used to maintain water concentration and weight. That produced that beautiful, clear soap..that I hated.  I chose polysorbate for it's cost effectiveness and ability to get the job done.  Which was to solubilize free fats and prevent separation.  I just recently purchased EcoCert solubilizers (caprylyl capryl glucoside) to test out.  But for the experiments at hand, I didn't want to waste such pricey ingredients.  What bothered me also about experiment #2, is the fact that generally, a solubilizer has to be paired in equal parts to the oil amounts used.  Remember that 40%?  Equal parts to that.  Nope.  Won't even do that with my EcoCert solubilizer.  But!!  With all this said, you can superfat your LS and have a truly luxurious liquid soap. I do plan on conducting some comparisons with a few solubilizers.  There is NO information as to how they behave in LS.  Not even from suppliers themselves.  So, it's high time someone does it. I'll do a short entry on that at a later date. But until then, here's a link on what you can look forward to if you give this a try yourself.  It does take some work and experimenting. Patience is certainly a virtue when making liquid soap.

What I may personally do is combine a light superfat of 10% with citric acid and see how that feels.  I'm unsure.  There's a lot of potential with this idea that hasn't been explored yet because of the common misconceptions and lack of hands on information. All in all, it IS possible to do this.  Even in the book, Scientific Soapmaking, by Kevin Dunn, acidifying soap is mentioned. But could only be done after full saponification has happened. Which is perfect for LS, and Hot Process soap in general. Or for folks who don't mind rebatching their Cold Process. And I've had many soapers tell me the get pH neutral CP soap regularly.  So, I dunno.   He sadly didn't cover the subject in detail and I haven't gotten any responses to my inquiry about this in his Caveman Chemistry soapmaking forum. 

All in all, this is forever a work in progress.  And for this particular topic, as I make new discoveries, I'll do my best to update here.  For those of you that happen to have something to add, please do. It's always nice to learn something new.  And always better that we all share so we can advance the soap making craft with quality products, for in the home, and for those who sell.

Preservatives: I get asked about this...A lot...

What is a Preservative?

 noun: preservative; plural noun: preservative     

1. a substance used to preserve foodstuffs, wood, or other materials against decay.

adjective: preservative

1. 
   

   acting to preserve something.

   "the preservative effects of freezing"

    

    The preceding was just the first result when I simply Googled the question.  Here are just a few more that came up.
   
   
   
   
   
   
   From this website,  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/preservative:
    
   source: Dictionary.com 
   noun
   

   1.something that preserves or tends to preserve.

   2.a chemical substance used to preserve foods or other organic materials from decomposition or fermentation.

   
   

   adjective
   

   3.tending to preserve.

   source: World English Dictionary -Collins

   
   

   —n
   1.	something that preserves or tends to preserve, esp a chemical added to foods to inhibit decomposition
   —adj
   2.	tending or intended to preserve

   source: American Heritage Medical Dictionary

    n.
   A substance added to food products or to organic solutions to prevent decomposition due to chemical change or bacterial action.

   All of these I've copied and pasted from just a single dictionary website alone, and i could go on like this, but that'd be pointless of this post.  Or would it?  Here's one more website, chock full of definitions of what a preservative is. Oh, wait! Can't exclude good ol' Wikipedia, right?

   
   

   Now these are all fine and dandy, until you talk to another soap maker or a cosmetic formulator.  Apparently, in the cosmetic industry, preservatives are ONLY antimicrobial, that is, the ones that prevent contamination by bacteria, viruses, fungi and yeast. And yet, when I search, "what is a cosmetic preservative?", I don't get the same kinds of results.  What I do get are several websites that give their own interpretation of preservatives in relation to cosmetics.  Some will say that ONLY antimicrobials are preservatives.  Some say that preservatives include antimicrobials and antioxidants.  Some will go as far to say that certain natural ingredients can be used for their antimicrobial properties as preservatives.  The discussion of preservatives can become very heated in many groups, with each having their own opinion based on whatever information they have.  In today's post, I'm going to do my best to provide the most accurate information possible, based on my own research of course.  I encourage you to take the time to do your own reading as well, and come to your own conclusions. The information is out there, it just takes asking the right questions to find it.

   
   

   To summarize the definitions I provided above, a preservative is something that prevents the degradation, or decomposition, or a product.  If decomposition has not occurred, the product in question is considered preserved. Decomposition in cosmetics can occur via microbial growth, as noted above, or by chemical change, also known as rancidification. We all have a pretty solid idea about microbial growth in cosmetics, and the preservatives that go along with that.  But what about this chemical change, aka, rancidification?  Well, as the definition in the link stated, rancidification ( totally a mouth full)  is related to the breakdown of fats, usually via oxidation decomposition, though can also be attributed to microbial and hydrolytic activity. We, once again, also already have an idea of how water and microbes play a role. But what about oxidative decomposition, or simply put, oxidation? 
   Oxidative rancidity (oxidation) occurs when the double bonds of a fatty acid react chemically with oxygen. Thus, making the fats spoil, or go rancid.  In a lot of cosmetics, some form of fatty acid chain is used to create the ingredients used, like in conditioners and detergents, and in some products, raw oils are used, such as olive and coconut oils.  So, without delving too deep into the chemistry of oxidation in fats, what is used to prevent this type of decomposition?  Antioxidants!  And what does an antioxidant do? Quite simply put, it inhibits the oxidation of other molecules by protecting them from damage by free radicals that form when oxidative breakdown occurs. So when we talk about antioxidants, exactly what, in the material sense, are we talking about?  Examples of antioxidants are Vitamin E (Tocopherols), Ascorbic Acid, Rosemary Oleoresin Extract (ROE), Rosemary Essential Oil, Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE), the more commonly known or butylated hydroxyanisole (BHA) and
   butylated hydroxytoluene (BHT).  These are just examples, there are plenty more out there.  And they are all used to prevent oxidation in a product, be it food or cosmetic.  In the food and medical industry, and technically, by definition, antioxidants are a type of preservative.  But according to the cosmetic/soapmaking world, they are not?  Only antimicrobials are considered preservatives.  I don't want to be redundant, but, judging by all that I've read, an antioxidant is a preservative, since it prevents decomposition of a product. I just can't understand why in the cosmetic industry things are redefined.  Oddly enough, throughout the book, Scientific Soapmaking by Dr. Kevin Dunn, antioxidants are also very much referred to as preservatives.  So, again, I don't understand this type of confusion. By the way, I recommend this book for anyone who wants to take a more scientific approach to the soap making craft. It literally is a chemistry book for soap making, and not meant for the faint of heart. I'm having a hard time with it, so I'll have to read over it again.  But anyways... 

   Other types of preservation methods can be non chemical as well.  There's mechanical: the boiling or smoking, generally of food. And of course the use of an autoclave, which is basically a very expensive pressure cooker.  As a former dental assistant and technician, I'm very familiar with autoclaves, so that's the easiest comparison I can come up with to give you an idea of what they do. But then, there are some very unlikely preservation methods that seem to be forgotten, or even scoffed at, and considered "more natural" even.  The use of sugar or salt has been a common method of preservation for the centuries, and is still used this day by folks who do any type of homesteading or quite simply, at home canning and long term food storage. But how do these relate to cosmetics?  Well, many of us like to make sugar and salt scrubs right?  Salt and sugar both draw out water and tie it up within itself, making the water unavailable for any chemical reactions to occur. High concentrations of salt interfere with the growth of microbes, while sugar may also encourage the growth of healthy microbes that prevent the harmful type from growing. High concentrations of sugar also exert osmotic pressure that will draw water out of bacteria, preventing them from growing as well. You can find very simple to understand, solid confirmation of this here, here and here.  So, aside from the essential or carrier oils used in scrubs, they are made of nothing but salt or sugar.  The concern comes in when wet fingers dip into the jars. The preceding pretty much explains what will happen in that case, especially considering it's such a low concentration of water.  Plus, why would you put your wet fingers in your scrub or salt jar?  I mean, think about it for a minute. I could go on and on about this, and share arguments on both sides. Some sources say to use a preservative in scrubs "just in case", as in the end user and how they use and keep the product, ie getting water drops in them from the shower, leaving the cap off, etc.  From my understanding, most scrubs commerically sold don't have preservatives in them either.  On that note, I'd say take into consideration the type of packaging you use for your scrubs. Do they absolutely have to be in jars, or can you use some type of bottle or tube?  You could also leave a disclaimer, or instructions about product use and care, like most commercial packaging does anyhow.  It's up to the end user to read instructions, in my opinion. And and,  preservatives need to be mixed in with ALL ingredients in the scrub for it to be effective.  Even if you used a liquid commercial Preservative and mixed it in your oils you use in your scrubs, it's still not mixed with the sugar or salt itself,  and could more likely render it ineffective.  Another thought:  it's a known fact that certain chemical preservatives can cause contact dermatitis in wash off and especially leave on products that are meant to go on the skin's surface.  Using a scrub debrides the skin of dead cells,  and can possibly cause micro tears as well.  When we design our scrubs, we add skin loving ingredients that fresh skin will soak up and benefit from.  Why would you want to also include an ingredient that could cause irritation on nice,  fresh skin,  especially if it's known to cause irritation on the very surface of skin alone?  And lastly, some formulator feel scrubs need a chemical preservative in a anhydrous scrub because of the potential for moisture,  and dirty hands, to contaminate it,  despite many reputable  resources(science)  saying sugar and salt are preservatives in their own right, making scrubs self preserving.  So why don't soapers say the same thing for bar soap?  If I were to ask any random soaper if bar soap needed a preservative, they'd be quick to say no: because it is anhydrous and it's pH is too high to support microbes.  In that, they are repeating science.  Look at some of the soaps made. Highly superfatted,  made with food mixed in and dried fruit and botanicals on top. Left in showers,  next to sinks. Left in the wettest, germiest places in the house ,where if you don't close your toilet lid, it's been proven fecal matter can spray several feet into the air from the toilet.  This is my personal opinion,  but if we're going to talk preservatives in an anhydrous scrubs for the reasons in mentioned, and ignore scientific fact there,   then we need to talk about preservatives for soap as well.  But I can guarantee,  NO  soap maker is going to consider that. 

   
   

   Other well known ingredients in soap making and cosmetics are alcohol, which is self explanatory, honey and glycerin.  Honey, like sugar and salt, has been used to preserve foods for centuries. Here's an interesting tidbit on using honey to preserve milk.  Glycerin( glycerol), is a product of sugar and alcohol (simply put) and is used in food and medicine, especially vaccines,  as a method of preservation. There has been some debate as to the amounts needed for an effective preservation with glycerin, but accoridng to the FDA (United States), it seems that if the glycerin content is between 10 to 50%, it is considered self preserved. Sodium lactate, very common for not only making hot process soap fluid for pouring in the mold, but also creating a harder bar, is also a preserative in many food items, most notibly meats, and in some cosmetics. A few sources I've found will say it's great in combination with other preservative systems, in that they piggy back each other.

   
   

   "But soap isn't cosmetic, and what does this all mean?", you ask?  Aaahhh, see here's the catch 22: liquid soap is water based. And according to many cosmetic formulators, anything that is water based MUST have a preservative.  But what many formulators fail to realize is that soap, be it in bar or liquid form, is self preserving in it's own right.  Bar soaps more so for their minimal water content. But with liquid soap, that luxury obvious isn't ours, so we need to look as other reasons. First of, is it's pH.  Harmful microbes thrive best in slightly acidic to slightly alkaline environments, a pH range between 6 and 8.  They are called neutrophiles and prefer that "neutral" pH environment. Now there are some microbes that thrive in acidic (acidophiles) and alkaline (alkaliphiles) environments, but the ones we are most concerned with are the neutrophiles. Keep in mind, microbes are everywhere, and nothing is sterile, not even with the best of preservatives. So don't freak out. So aside from pH, soap to water concentration plays a role.  Also, the fact that our soap is constantly on heat to cook and dissolve paste helps kill harmful microbes, to "wipe the slate clean" essentially. If you use alcohol at any point, that helps preserve the soap. The use of chelating agents such a borax or citric acid, helps bind metals to keep the soap from oxidizing, thus helping to boost the effectiveness of any other preservative you may choose to use. So they're not just for adjusting pH folks!!  Also, another not thought after factor: glycerin content.  We all know that saponification creates the by-product glycerin, correct? Understandably, bar soaps will have a higher percentage than liquid due to water content.  But, we also like to add extra glycerin to our liquid soaps for extra emolliency, and to boost bubbles and help with clarity. Added in the beginning, and it speeds trace.  Two words for you to think about in relation to this subject:  Glycerin Method.  Wouldn't that fall within the 10 to 50% mark indicated by the FDA for self preservation?  Food for thought there.  But, most importantly in all of this, is GMP- Good Manufacturing Practices.  Keeping you workspace and utensils clean and sanitary. Keeping your ingredients from being contaminated. I personally keep bottles of high percentage alcohol in the house just for soaping, so I clean the counters before I start.  I'll also squirt it on my utensils and in my pots as well.  Don't soap when you're sick!!  You wouldn't go to work sick, so why soap while sick, knowing family and friends, or even customers, will use your products? Quite simply put, whatever preservation method, or lack of,  you choose, isn't going to be worth the container it came in if your products are dirty to begin with.  

    Should you plan on superfatting your LS, paired with a solubilizer, of course, you can always use an antioxidant preservative, along with the other methods outlined above, if you don't want to use a chemical/antimicrobial preservative.

   If you do choose to use an antimicrobial preservative in LS anyhow, you can't just use any one available to us formulators and soapers.  Most antimicrobial preservatives have pH restrictions to consider.  Otherwise, it won't be effective if used in a product outside of it's range.  You need to ensure the preservative is effective above a pH 9.  Not up to it, above it. This will ensure that you get the maximum effectiveness for from your ingredient. There are only 2 preservatives that I know of that are broad spectrum and within that guideline, Suttocide A, which is a formaldehyde releaser, and Optiphen MIT Plus.  I've heard that Liquid Germall is also effective, despite manufacturer recommendations, but I've found nothing substantive to that nature. So it's best to follow what the manufacturer says, just to play it safe. Here's a little chart of some commonly used preservatives, with their pH restrictions listed.  With pH consideration in mind, I recommend a good pH meter if deciding to invest in preservatives.  As you could probably see in the chart, the Optiphen, though above 9, only goes up to a 10, whereas the Suttocide A is all the way up to a 12.  This really limits your choices for antimicrobials doesn't it?  But, should you choose the Optiphen, making absolutely sure you soap isn't outside of it's effective range is imperative, otherwise, you're wasting money. Even if you were to superfat your recipe at 2% to avoid the need to neutralize, that doesn't mean your pH isn't pushing limits. It just means you've neutralized any possibility of free lye and will only marginally effect pH.  That's it. You can try and use strips, but I've seen all too often that folks still get the cheap strips despite recommendations against them because of their potential for inaccuracy, and being off the mark by as much as 2 points.  I recommend lab grade, should you choose to get any. I personally don't use strips at all. I invested in a meter with a changeable probe.  But I'll save further discussion on that for another time. 

   So, now that I've gotten that out of the way, I'll leave you all with this:
   Whether you choose to use a preservative or not is clearly up to you.  No one, and i mean no one, can tell you that you HAVE to, or NEED to do anything.  Any advice given should be in the tone of a recommendation. Not a borderline command.  Also, keep this under your hat. Whether you use any form of preservative system additive or not, just remember that things happen. It CAN fail. Even the FDA recognizes that cosmetics/soap is not meant to be sterile, and that so long as the method used inhibits further growth of microbes, and that no harmful microbes are present. It's just not possible.  Sometimes microbes can overtake a preservative system. The question is, has it happened frequently, or is it a one time fluke? For me, when my conditioner kept failing, it was because of lack of preservative. I probably also wasn't following GMP at the time, considering I was just starting out.  So i caved and looked into a preservative to fit my needs. And so far I'm pleased.  I'd love to get it challenge tested to know for sure that it's working but thus far, I'm not having the problems I had previously. So I'm getting somewhere.  I assessed the situation of constant failures, and determined a change was needed.  Now, had it been only 1 failure out of the many batches made, I wouldn't bat an eye to it more than i need to make sure everything is clean. It all breaks down to experimenting with what works for you. Do the research yourself.  Ask questions. You make the final call for your products. Not those who have a biased opinion to one side of the fence or the other.  I personally want to stay as unbiased as possible while providing good resources, like this. An unbiased read on preservatives to use on home made bath and body care products.  So anyways, happy soaping folks. Until next time....

    

The Beginning....

Crock pots, scales, lye, soap calculators, fats....LYE!! That stuff will burn the skin off your hide!! Ha ha!

Some folks will come across the basic list of supplies needed for making Liquid Soap(LS for ease of future reference) and become a little intimidated.  I know I sure was. Coupled with the hard to find, or lack of information back when I first started, and the idea of working with lye is that much scarier.  What if you mess up? What if it all looks great and then you use it on yourself, or worse, you kids, and it's not so great after all? Like, you actually hurt someone with a failed batch?  Scary shit, right?  Oops, yeah, fair warning, I can have a bit of a foul mouth.  And I don't sugar coat either.  Anyways..

All that aside, There are many ways to make LS, and make it safe.  And it will be the best thing you've ever done once you get the hang of it.  Bars soaps are nice, but I never considered them sanitary.  I mean sure, they're too alkaline for microbes to grow on, but still.  They just never settled well with me.  Not even as a kid.  Not only that, but compared to bar soaps, which are done in molds, start to finish, LS can be customized a lot easier. I can scent and color as I please per bottle of LS, rather than the whole batch. And it's more forgiving as far as correcting errors. You don't have to worry about colors morphing or scents fading. But, there is a catch.  You may have to neutralize your soap, and you can't superfat.

Wait...WUT!!??  No superfat??  That's right.  No superfat.  In a completely, 100% natural, unadulterated, finished liquid soap, you can't superfat.  Why? Because oil and water don't mix. And liquid soap is water based; between 60 and 80% of your soap can be made of water. So that's the trade off.  So why would you want to trade that off?  Well, I can't answer that for you.  Only you can.  And anyways, I never said you couldn't superfat at all, did I?  It needs a little help is all. So no worries folks.  We'll get there.  It's a lot of work to get there, but again, once you get the hang of it, I'm pretty sure you'll like it as much as I do. I'll do my best to share with you how I got where I am now.  I'm by no means saying I'm "the pro" at LS.  But, I like to think I'm pretty good.  And it seems like a few others toot that horn loud enough for me anyhow.  But anyhoo, I'm off.  I think next time, I'll cover a much inquired after topic.  One that tends to get a lot of panties up in a bunch. Good night folks!